Comments on: The budget: a disaster in our midst http://www.uhsperspective.org/2010/04/03/the-budget-a-disaster-in-our-midst/ University High School, Tucson, Arizona Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:05:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous2 http://www.uhsperspective.org/2010/04/03/the-budget-a-disaster-in-our-midst/#comment-857 Anonymous2 Mon, 10 May 2010 17:09:54 +0000 http://www.uhsperspective.org/?p=280#comment-857 To the first commenter: I've spoken with several people who reject the tax because it's regressive, that it hits the poorest hardest, etc. That's all true. But to me, opposing Prop. 100 for that reason is a case of ideology getting in the way of practicality. We all disapprove of ideologues when they disagree with what we approve of, to the point that often we're blind to the fact that we can be ideological, too. And that's where you are with this argument. So you prefer to oppose the proposition, let the schools go to heck, let the kids suffer... all in the name of your ideology. Sure, a progressive tax would be better, but in this state, that ain't going to happen. Prop. 100 is simply the best of a bunch of bad (but possible) alternatives. To the first commenter: I’ve spoken with several people who reject the tax because it’s regressive, that it hits the poorest hardest, etc. That’s all true.

But to me, opposing Prop. 100 for that reason is a case of ideology getting in the way of practicality. We all disapprove of ideologues when they disagree with what we approve of, to the point that often we’re blind to the fact that we can be ideological, too. And that’s where you are with this argument.

So you prefer to oppose the proposition, let the schools go to heck, let the kids suffer… all in the name of your ideology. Sure, a progressive tax would be better, but in this state, that ain’t going to happen. Prop. 100 is simply the best of a bunch of bad (but possible) alternatives.

]]> By: Ms. Workiewycz http://www.uhsperspective.org/2010/04/03/the-budget-a-disaster-in-our-midst/#comment-476 Ms. Workiewycz Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:52:56 +0000 http://www.uhsperspective.org/?p=280#comment-476 I am very concerned about the impending one cent sales tax not being passed. It is no secret that the legislators in Phoenix are not one whit interested in our youth nor in funding their educations. On the other hand there is no shortage of folks over 60 (of which I am one) who feel that they've already raised their families, paid for their educations and are now looking at the shrinking dollar and even the dubious future of social security; so why should they be continually asked to sacrifice? Yes, it's the future of America, however, those facing that future should support these concerns just like the graying generation did with their families, and step up with some sort of "tuition" to cover what is increasingly less of a "free" education in America. After all, one could argue that those who can afford future ivy-league tuitions, should also be able to afford getting to those hollowed halls. Sorry, but there don't seem to be any quick, easy and painless fixes for this one. I am very concerned about the impending one cent sales tax not being passed. It is no secret that the legislators in Phoenix are not one whit interested in our youth nor in funding their educations.
On the other hand there is no shortage of folks over 60 (of which I am one) who feel that they’ve already raised their families, paid for their educations and are now looking at the shrinking dollar and even the dubious future of social security; so why should they be continually asked to sacrifice?

Yes, it’s the future of America, however, those facing that future should support these concerns just like the graying generation did with their families, and step up with some sort of “tuition” to cover what is increasingly less of a “free” education in America.
After all, one could argue that those who can afford future ivy-league tuitions, should also be able to afford getting to those hollowed halls.

Sorry, but there don’t seem to be any quick, easy and painless fixes for this one.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.uhsperspective.org/2010/04/03/the-budget-a-disaster-in-our-midst/#comment-465 anonymous Mon, 05 Apr 2010 05:16:21 +0000 http://www.uhsperspective.org/?p=280#comment-465 ummm who is "we" that you are referring to...first off the bill (proposition 100 for those of you who don't know) specifically designates the funds for education and public safety...second off the bill expires after 3 years which is not enough time for the money to be diverted. and 3rd off its not a question of if bad things will happen its a question of when because like it or not without this sales tax UHS is dead...that is a fact whether you believe it or not. this tax is nto a pointless exercise and 1 cent per item is not going to hurt the low income families in fact you can drop a penny on the street and you don't feel any poorer for it. SO no its not horribly expensive we are not giving it to the people it is going to public education it won't be diverted because there isn't time for it to be diverted and three obviously if the arizona government is trying to put this prop forward then obviously it cares about education. The problem is people like you won't vote for the bill because they don't believe anything bad will come with it. WELL IT WILL DEAL WITH IT AND VOTE FOR THE STUPID BILL OR YOU MAY NOT BE IN SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS CAUSE ALL OF THEM WILL BE SHUT DOWN ummm who is “we” that you are referring to…first off the bill (proposition 100 for those of you who don’t know) specifically designates the funds for education and public safety…second off the bill expires after 3 years which is not enough time for the money to be diverted. and 3rd off its not a question of if bad things will happen its a question of when because like it or not without this sales tax UHS is dead…that is a fact whether you believe it or not. this tax is nto a pointless exercise and 1 cent per item is not going to hurt the low income families in fact you can drop a penny on the street and you don’t feel any poorer for it. SO no its not horribly expensive we are not giving it to the people it is going to public education it won’t be diverted because there isn’t time for it to be diverted and three obviously if the arizona government is trying to put this prop forward then obviously it cares about education. The problem is people like you won’t vote for the bill because they don’t believe anything bad will come with it. WELL IT WILL DEAL WITH IT AND VOTE FOR THE STUPID BILL OR YOU MAY NOT BE IN SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS CAUSE ALL OF THEM WILL BE SHUT DOWN

]]> By: Fiona Mackenzie http://www.uhsperspective.org/2010/04/03/the-budget-a-disaster-in-our-midst/#comment-458 Fiona Mackenzie Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:53:44 +0000 http://www.uhsperspective.org/?p=280#comment-458 Critical Thinking assignment: Problems with this solution are: (1) a sales tax is regressive, in an economy where the poorer people who will bear it are losing jobs and homes; (2) sales taxes are passed using a popular cause for leverage, but are quickly diverted to other governmental purposes; (3) Arizona has already demonstrated that education has a very low priority. We propose to give this money to people whose fiscal record is abysmal. [Right now, we are set to embark on a horrendously expensive constitutional attack, almost surely unwinnable. Regardless of merit, this is a pointless expercise, as it is already being tested by more than a dozen other states...Arizona's participation adds nothing. Yet all the money Arizona can glean, including this, may be applied to that.] We are putting ourselves on the line to give state administrators more of the limited money of families, particularly low-income families, because without it "bad things will happen." I suggest that WITH it, bad things will happen. Without some kind of guarantee, some earmarks, I see little hope that this good faith people's campaign will protect our school. Critical Thinking assignment:

Problems with this solution are: (1) a sales tax is regressive, in an economy where the poorer people who will bear it are losing jobs and homes; (2) sales taxes are passed using a popular cause for leverage, but are quickly diverted to other governmental purposes; (3) Arizona has already demonstrated that education has a very low priority.

We propose to give this money to people whose fiscal record is abysmal. [Right now, we are set to embark on a horrendously expensive constitutional attack, almost surely unwinnable. Regardless of merit, this is a pointless expercise, as it is already being tested by more than a dozen other states...Arizona's participation adds nothing. Yet all the money Arizona can glean, including this, may be applied to that.]

We are putting ourselves on the line to give state administrators more of the limited money of families, particularly low-income families, because without it “bad things will happen.” I suggest that WITH it, bad things will happen. Without some kind of guarantee, some earmarks, I see little hope that this good faith people’s campaign will protect our school.

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